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August 24, 2007 at 2:05 pm #1661jnoParticipant
@GeneralLea wrote:
So personally it’s just the way my clothes smell in the morning that I don’t like but I don’t see that as a reason to ban other people’s freedom just because I don’t do it.
I do! This affects my freedom not to smell, surely!
August 28, 2007 at 11:07 am #1662adminKeymaster@jno wrote:
I do! This affects my freedom not to smell, surely!
I agree. I really don’t see the problem with smokers going outside quickly if they need a smoke.
August 28, 2007 at 11:53 am #1663adminKeymasterOh dear just found out that I’m a endangered species … a smoking Swede 😀
August 28, 2007 at 1:59 pm #1664adminKeymaster@Stephen wrote:
The crude mortality rate for lung cancer in the UK in 2005 was 55.8 per 100,000.
For source see:
http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/cancerstats/types/lung/mortality/?a=5441I can’t see where it mentions Secondhand Smoke in this article, could you point it out to me please? Excuse my blindness!
August 28, 2007 at 9:38 pm #1665SilviaMemberOh dear just found out that I’m a endangered species … a smoking Swede
If one more person joins the smokers on that balcony, everyone there will be an endangered species.
August 29, 2007 at 5:28 am #1666TinainviennaMemberBeing a somker myself I would love to see smokers being banned outside of cafes and bars. I myself hate the smell of smoke and would not mind at all to go outside if I really need to smoke. I would smoke less and less and it would be easier to quit.
August 29, 2007 at 8:48 am #1667adminKeymaster@Silvia wrote:
If one more person joins the smokers on that balcony, everyone there will be an endangered species.
Nah … then they can hire nonsmoking staff as replacement 😈
October 2, 2007 at 3:34 am #1668adminKeymasterI also smoke too much and am always quiting. Any chance to make me cut down or make it difficult is welcomed by me. I like smoking(not really) but hate ashtrays, bad breath, cost of smoking and the damage to my health!!
hehehe since my answer was almost the same I thought I would just save time and cut and paste
I thought you quite smoking? 🙄
Secondhand Smoke Fact Sheet
June 2007Secondhand smoke, also known as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), is a mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end of a cigarette, pipe or cigar and the smoke exhaled from the lungs of smokers. It is involuntarily inhaled by nonsmokers, lingers in the air hours after cigarettes have been extinguished and can cause or exacerbate a wide range of adverse health effects, including cancer, respiratory infections, and asthma.1
Secondhand smoke has been classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of cancer in humans (Group A carcinogen).2
Secondhand smoke exposure causes disease and premature death in children and adults who do not smoke. Secondhand smoke contains hundreds of chemicals known to be toxic or carcinogenic, including formaldehyde, benzene, vinyl chloride, arsenic ammonia and hydrogen cyanide.3
Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 46,000 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year.4
Nonsmokers exposed to secondhand smoke at work are at increased risk for adverse health effects. Levels of ETS in restaurants and bars were found to be 2 to 5 times higher than in residences with smokers and 2 to 6 times higher than in office workplaces.5
Since 1999, 70 percent of the U.S. workforce worked under a smoke-free policy, ranging from 83.9 percent in Utah to 48.7 percent in Nevada.6 Workplace productivity was increased and absenteeism was decreased among former smokers compared with current smokers.7
Fifteen states – Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Rhode Island, Washington and Vermont – as well as the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico prohibit smoking in almost all public places and workplaces, including restaurants and bars. Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, Oregon and Utah have passed legislation prohibiting smoking in almost all public places and workplaces, including restaurants and bars, but the laws have not taken full effect yet.8
Secondhand smoke is especially harmful to young children. Secondhand smoke is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections in infants and children under 18 months of age, resulting in between 7,500 and 15,000 hospitalizations each year, and causes 430 sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) deaths in the United States annually.9
Secondhand smoke exposure may cause buildup of fluid in the middle ear, resulting in 790,000 physician office visits per year.10 Secondhand smoke can also aggravate symptoms in 400,000 to 1,000,000 children with asthma.11
In the United States, 21 million, or 35 percent of, children live in homes where residents or visitors smoke in the home on a regular basis.12 Approximately 50-75 percent of children in the United States have detectable levels of cotinine, the breakdown product of nicotine in the blood.13
New research indicates that private research conducted by cigarette company Philip Morris in the 1980s showed that secondhand smoke was highly toxic, yet the company suppressed the finding during the next two decades.14
The current Surgeon General’s Report concluded that scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to second hand smoke. Short exposures to second hand smoke can cause blood platelets to become stickier, damage the lining of blood vessels, decrease coronary flow velocity reserves, and reduce heart rate variability, potentially increasing the risk of heart attack.15
For more information on secondhand smoke, please review the Tobacco Morbidity and Mortality Trend Report as well as our Lung Disease Data publication in the Data and Statistics section of our website at http://www.lungusa.org, or call the American Lung Association at 1-800-LUNG-USA (1-800-586-4872).
October 2, 2007 at 7:31 am #1669TinainviennaMemberIt was great to visit Germany last week and to find all cafes and restaurants being non-smokers heaven (not HAVEN) since they passed that new law.
October 28, 2007 at 2:33 pm #1670adminKeymasterEven if smoking was not bad for your health, I still think that people puffing smoke around other people (especially those who are trying to eat) is extremely rude, and very thoughtless.
It seems to me that smokers who don’t care who they puff their toxic fumes over are just the tip of our mannerless society’s iceberg.
October 29, 2007 at 9:44 am #1671adminKeymasterDid anyone see the roundtable discussion on TV last night?
One guy saying that jobs would be lost if smoking was banned. Pubs and coffee houses would go out of business. And it would be a frechheit for people to have to stand outside in the cold to smoke in winter. “People can’t do that! My God they could get sick.” It was one of those — did I really hear that — moments.
Another guy from Austria Tabak talking on and on about how it was a libertine (liberty) issue. And when that goes, it is all over.
Lots of table slapping and shaking of heads as they listened to the anti-smoking people. As if it were an outrage that they even had to stoop to such a level.
It was ridiculous! When you’re the last man standing, you fight to the death. And that is pretty much Austria on this issue.
October 29, 2007 at 2:17 pm #1672ViennamomMemberPeople here just don’t seem to have respect for the rights of non-smokers to have clean air and not reek of ashtrays.
I am currently in an environment where the only break room is filled with smokers (Austrian and a few from eastern European countries) puffing away. I have a desk near this room and the smoke comes into the room where I work. Today I very nicely asked the smokers to please close the door when they’re smoking so that the smoke doesn’t get into my workspace. They gave me an evil glare and opened the door as soon as I went back to my desk. And frankly I resent not having a smoke-free space for my downtime.
October 29, 2007 at 2:35 pm #1673adminKeymasterCan’t you talk to the Betriebsrat about that? That is really dreadful.
It is also my experience that all the scoop and inside information happens in the smoking areas. And as a non-smoker, you miss a lot. Not necessarily just gossip, but also important issues.
A little smoke with ventilation would be ok in a pub. But everyone lights up and they chain smoke like there is no tomorrow. That is what I have a problem with — the density. When you can’t see across the room, it is time to open the door! Nobody does that — cause a draft can kill you, you know….
Even my dog smells like smoke the next day after an evening out in the wintertime.
October 30, 2007 at 9:31 am #1674jnoParticipant@Dackel-mad wrote:
Can’t you talk to the Betriebsrat about that? That is really dreadful.
Ha! My Betriebsrat smokes in the office and knows all to well it is against the law – how Austrian is that?
October 30, 2007 at 3:28 pm #1675ViennamomMemberYup, that’s often the problem– it’s those opinion leaders and policy makers who are a part of the problem. I only have one month left in this environment and then I’m outta there. And it’s totally true that the non-smokers do miss out on some networking/inside info that goes on during these breaks, at least in my experience here.
On one hand, I know that tax revenue comes in from the taxes on tobacco products. I have also heard the argument that smokers cost the system less because they die earlier.
BUT smoking and secondhand smoke can also cause a lot of illnesses/diseases. It can’t be cheap for the Krankenkasse to pay for people’s various lung infections/bronchial problems and all of the Krankenstand days that go with them (this must also cost business something, both in money and productivity.) Also some branches of workers are seriously affected. I don’t remember the source now because it’s been a few years but I remember coming across the statistic that in the state of Vermont (before they implemented their public smoking ban), restaurant servers were contracting lung cancer at 7 times the rest of the population.
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